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I had removed my windshield previously for a day and found that once I got used to the wind hitting me directly that the ride wasn't bad. But since I only rode for an hour or so, I thought I would do a more thorough test to determine if it would be feasible to leave it off for the summer. So 4 days and 300 miles later, I thought I would share my observations.

First, let me say that the scooter looks SWEET with the screen removed! I think it fools the Sportbikers when they are coming toward me in the opposite lane as I got more waves with the shield off than I did with it on. In constrast, I actually had a group of Sportbikers pointing and laughing at me a few weeks back while at a stoplight, but that's a story for another day... With the screen off, the scoot definately looks lower, longer and quite sporty - a look that I like as you can tell by my avatar.

As for the ride with the shield removed, it's best when riding around town. The added wind keeps you cooler on warm days when the heat is rising up from the asphalt and the sun is beating down on you. I do wear a jacket and boots when I ride despite what the fake photo above shows, so I do get hot when in stop and go traffic. Most of my short trips in town were enjoyable even with the added wind pressure on my chest and face. It can be a little shocking the first time you ride into a strong head wind at speed as your body becomes a sail and you get pushed back quite a bit. But just like dealing with crosswinds when learning to ride, you adapt to the wind forces after experiencing it a few times and no longer think about it.

On longer trips, the experience is mixed. I found that when "touring" the back roads the ride was much like my short trips as long as I did not exceed an indicated 60mph. The wind noise was noticeably less than with the stock screen under these conditions and the buffeting on my head was gone. Of course, in its place was direct wind forces on your chest and head. But on calm days the forces are constant and not at all bothersome.

Now, when you get out on the highway or have to maintain speeds over an indicated 60mph things are very different. The ride can get stressful as you have to deal with a very strong wind pressure which is magnified when there are strong crosswinds or "dirty" air from large trucks or SUV's. I travelled for 20+ miles on an interstate highway with a posted speed limit of 70mph. I had to run the scoot at an indicated 85mph to keep from getting run over by the other traffic. This was NOT fun. I had to assume the sportbike position as shown in the photo above in order to ride it out. If I did not lower my head down between the mirrors, the wind forces ramping up the front were so strong that they tried to push my helmet up off of my head. And there was considerable buffeting pounding me in the arms, chest, and neck. All of this made the scooter feel like it was wobbling. Not a mechanical vibration, but more like the wind was rapidly pushing you from side to side. At the same speed, I don't experience this with the stock windshield in place.

So, for around town and riding less than 60mph, riding with no windshield is not bad. But on longer trips and/or at higher speeds, the ride is too stressful to be practical. In an effort to have the best of both worlds, I bought a summer shield from Cee Bailey's. Hopefully it will provide enough wind to keep cool, without creating havoc at higher speeds. I'll report back once the shield comes in.

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Personal notes:

I think I have Sportbike envy because I like riding in that uncomfortable looking position as shown above. But I really wouldn't want to give up the cargo space that the scooter provides! I would really like to have some footpegs back there so half my foot doesn't hang off the footboard. In the photo my feet are actually on the pillion foot rests. I don't actually ride like that, but I do prefer my feet all the way back as far as I can get them.

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The scooter is actually at the end of my driveway on the sidestand. I photoshopped the stand out of the shot and then added motion blur to the background with a little rotational motion to the front wheel. It was a quick and dirty edit in the photo editor so it's a little rough around the edges. And my neighbors got a kick out of watching me mount the bike, hit the camera remote, and then act like I was going 100mph! I'm sure they tell everyone there is a real dork living next door!
 

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I love the story about the photo shoot... the photo is almost convincing, but there's something about your posture that seems incongruous with where you are "cyling." Either way, thanks for the report!
 

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PCM84 said:
I love the story about the photo shoot... the photo is almost convincing, but there's something about your posture that seems incongruous with where you are "cyling." Either way, thanks for the report!
What? You never terrorize your neighbors by buzzing them on the sidewalks? In hindsight, I should have rolled it into the street for the shot but adding the motion was an afterthought.

What makes this funnier is that I took about 8 or 9 of these shots from slightly different angles and sitting on the scooter in different positions. So my neighbor got a whole show of me running back and forth to the camera and jumping on the scoot and posing! To make matters worse, her boyfriend rides a GXR 750 and I'm certain they already think I'm pretty geeky with my scooter!
 

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one thought.....

how have you secured the bit of black plastic that covers the instrument cluster ?

once the screen is removed, this panel will very easily just lift out of place.
if you have not secured it yet, i would suggest that you are lucky that it's still there !

also, the japanese aftermarket has some screen mods, that allow the removal of the screen, and look awesome.

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gpsnut2003 said:
one thought.....

how have you secured the bit of black plastic that covers the instrument cluster ?

once the screen is removed, this panel will very easily just lift out of place.
if you have not secured it yet, i would suggest that you are lucky that it's still there !

also, the japanese aftermarket has some screen mods, that allow the removal of the screen, and look awesome.

jason
Oh yeah, I know all about the black panel. The two bolts that hold Panel A on go through the holes on the tabs to keep it in place. It would have flown off long ago had I not fastened Panel A securely! I've put the stock screen back on until my Cee Bailey's comes in.

I'm very interested in the Japanese aftermarket parts, but my computer does not display Asian characters, so I find it difficult to get part descriptions - only the prices in Yen. What is also confusing is that our scooter is called the Grand Majesty over there and apparently it comes in both 250cc and 400cc versions. A lot of the custom ones I've seen online are the 250cc version even though it looks exactly like our 400, so I'm not sure if all of the parts are compatible. I love some of the "alien head" parts they install instead of the screen, but I don't think it would be any better than no screen. I've also seen their extremely short screens which I'm not sure I want to experiment with considering the cost of import.

What I do want is a chrome cover for the v-belt casing, chrome air filter cannisters that use K&N filters, chrome shocks and springs, chrome crankcase cover, chrome exhaust mount, custom chrome exhaust pipe(s), chrome front forks, chrome wheels, lowering kit with shorter chrome side stand, chrome handlebar with chrome grips and controls fastened with a billet mount. Add some steel braided lines and some low profile mirrors and the only thing I would need to make it any wilder would be custom paint... if only my wallet was as large as my dreams! Did I mention that I want some chrome?
 

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my neighbor got a whole show of me running back and forth to the camera and jumping on the scoot and posing!
My neighbors think the idea of a scooter is total lunacy -- it's a very white-bread neighborhood. If I was to do the Vanity Fair does Scooters photoshoot in my driveway, they'd call the police.
 

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calgary2800 said:
That is awesome helmet. Black with black visor looks so mean.
I'm really very friendly in person, but I let my helmet give me some attitude on the street. That way I can put some fear into those morons that pull out in front of me when I give them the "black stare" as I pass them.
 

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Black Sheep said:
I'm very interested in the Japanese aftermarket parts, but my computer does not display Asian characters, so I find it difficult to get part descriptions - only the prices in Yen.
try translating the pages with the google translator.

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

this usually produces some helpful results on japanese text.

as for the chrome thing, are you a mod ? :D :D
(old english scooter refference)

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Black Sheep I bought my scoot after it had been laid down and was missing the windshield at a great price. I liked riding it with no shield other than the bugs and sand blown up by big trucks. So I went and bought the Givi Touring, miss the cooler wind but not the sand blasting.

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1. It looks like beautiful weather in Raleigh. Dude, why are you Photoshopping when you could be riding?
2. Dang that Maj looks great in red!
3. Passers-by are afraid to meet... the Black Stare!
 
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